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What's the
worst shared quality?
There is nothing
bad about them which [wasn't bad about] the generations before.
They are an upgrade and upgrades are always better.
But aren't
we bringing kids up in a more superficial world and aren't they
themselves more superficial in some ways?
The world
is superficial even if you live in a forest. You receive all information
via your senses, which are a bad translation, an illusion. Your
question is like a movie hero, who while he is playing on the fake
set of the "Titanic," is wondering if there is a danger [of drowning].
There are not any seas around his boat, and in the same way, there
is not any absolute reality in our world. The only reality is our
theories about reality.
What's
your vision of the future?
There are
all possible versions of the future and according to quantum physics
all of them will be realized. I don't understand what future you
are talking about. There is a version where 23 U-Hauls will surround
the Whitney next week and a version where nothing like that will
happen. We don't really know in which one we will participate, we
can only envision the possibilities.
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All right.
It's now Wednesday, March 6, and I just found out that the U-Hauls
were a hoax! People who expected to see these trucks with screens
driving around the Whitney were seriously fooled. I was fooled!
Tell me what you have to say about it.
It went great!
The trucks were not there of course. The U-Haul idea was only an
advertisement for the [online] show.
They were invisible trucks. We would have never made them in real
life even with the most great sponsoring. I don't believe in such
'80s and '90s art. I believe in the Internet. The real U-hauls are
the Web sites where the exhibition can be found. But people loved
the trucks, so we diffused [this] news to give them something to
visualize.
And I assume
you view this -- the evening, duping me and others -- as a success?
The event
went great. Many people showed up at the museum. We were there to
explain to them that the U-Hauls were invisible and I was helping
them to enter the Gala, where you were not welcome without an invitation.
Inside the museum, many people were talking about the U-Hauls as
if they had seen them! It was amazing! People would walk out to
check for them. Also, most of the artists of the show liked the
fact that the U-Hauls where invisible.
Other than
playing on the idea of contemporary art and the emperor's new clothes,
will you elaborate on the purpose?
We have to
create new ways to show art. The real space is not so important
anymore. The new, really international space for the arts, accessible
by everyone, is indeed the Internet. But we should also create new
urban legends to support us. The invisible trucks was one of these
urban legends.
Are you
sure it wasn't that you just couldn't make the U-Haul idea happen?
I never tried.
I hate art made with everyday objects. I like classic forms. I got
inspired for the tactics that I used in the promotion of this show,
from the film "When We Were Kings" about Mohammed Ali. If you have
to battle with something bigger and more powerful than you are --
the museum establishment -- you'd better let your adversary believe
that you will use techniques which he can understand, and then simply
do nothing, just let him collapse under his own weight.
Earlier
you said jokes were '90s art. Wasn't this a joke of a kind?
It was not
a joke at all. It was a powerful new way to invert the situations.
Because of the Internet, some of the importance of real estate and
what real estate represents -- to the Whitney Museum and to any
museum -- is passed to the online estate, the dot-com. The old world,
art dealers, media, etc., are terrified by this new condition at
least as much Europe was terrified by the progress of America, but
ultimately it will be a positive charge for both worlds.
There is nothing
ironic [about] the invisible U-Hauls; they were there, because the
Internet pages that host my show are everywhere. Just imagine a
building full of screens with all the works of my show on it and
you get the picture: a lot more interesting than the official show.
Made out of nothing but pure creative spirit and collaboration,
with budget [of] zero, in less than a month. It's a good show just
because it could not be bad; the official show is not even bad,
it's just a regular show, some bureaucratic extravaganza which will
feed a small and tired art world for the next two years and then
it will repeat itself.
Did you
ever have any doubts or misgivings about essentially lying to the
press?
I don't feel
that I lied: I gave them what they wanted to hear. The press is
not an objective observer; it's just another producer of simulation.
They wanted the "U-Haul Manetas" and that's what I gave them, but
there was no reason to actually do the U-Hauls. Just declaring it
to the press was enough.
The invisible
U-Haul idea seems like it operates in a much larger realm than the
online show of Flash animation works it was intended to promote.
Are you sure that digital tools are your main medium? Perhaps you
are really a conceptual artist after all.
Digital is
not a tool; it a landscape. In the case of WhitneyBiennial.com,
the best way to visualize this landscape was to surround the museum
with 23 invisible U-Hauls. So, I did it. Sorry.
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About the
writer
John Glassie is a writer in New York. This text has been
published after his permission
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